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Sep. 30th, 2003 01:52 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
hirezCellnet are a hopeless shower. Really.
MMS orGPRS? What on earth?
Of course, the fact that this might be a limitation isn't mentioned until you wonder why nothing works...
MMS orGPRS? What on earth?
Of course, the fact that this might be a limitation isn't mentioned until you wonder why nothing works...
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Date: 2003-09-30 06:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-30 06:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-30 08:56 am (UTC)The only times I've ever had any problem, it has invariably turned out to be my web server being crashed, or my own WML pages having syntax errors.
I used to have all kinds of GPRS connection problems on my Nokia 8310, but with my Nokia 6100 I have had *none*. Nada. Nowt. And I use WAP & GPRS data like it is going out of fashion (what with me not being billed for it, and all- see Sexbat's post).
FYI, my details are:
Nokia 6100 with firmware V04.70 23-04-03 NPL-2
Menu - Services - Settings - Edit Active Service Settings
Session mode permanent
Connection security off
Data bearer GPRS
GPRS access point wap.o2.co.uk
IP address 193.113.200.195
Authentication type normal
Login type automatic
Username o2wap
Password password
Menu - Connectivity - GPRS - GPRS Modem Settings - Edit active access point
GPRS access point mobile.o2.co.uk
Menu - Messages - Message settings - Multimedia msgs. - Connection settings - Edit active multimedia settings
Homepage http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
Session mode permanent
Data bearer GPRS
GPRS access point wap.o2.co.uk
IP address 193.113.200.195
Authentication type normal
Username o2wap
Password password
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Date: 2003-09-30 08:45 am (UTC)I am on O2 (Cellnet) and have never been billed for GPRS (in the UK) since signing up for MMS. I use GPRS for both regular WAP browsing and GPRS data (regular web browsing through a browser Java midlet), as well as for MMS.
I don't think it is a hack, but for the record, I put in the same login/gateway details for both my GPRS MMS settings as for my GPRS WAP settings.
I expect I *will* be billed for GPRS data whilst I was in France, though- and I used both GPRS WAP and GPRS data there (though annoyingly, only Bouygues Telecom would allow me to roam with GPRS- Orange and SFR both refused GPRS; never tried Itineris).
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Date: 2003-09-30 07:37 am (UTC)There's then GPRS **and** another one (CSD?)
GPRS is always on, and you tend to pay by the K. Great for browsing, where you want to be billed by information, not time.
The other one (the old system used by WAP phones, I think) is a pay-by-time connection, but tends to get better bandwidth. Good for a download, for instance, or when you need data faster and don't mind paying a few pence more if you dally while browsing.
My experience with GPRS has more been that it's 'always OFF' recently.
I believe that most phone companies will give you numbers to connect via any of the above, though you may have to ASK to get the info for some (it's as simple as typing in a server addy).
Frankly, as much as I love me tech, I still don't go online from my phone except in an emergency... unless your company's paying, it's not cheap enough yet.
Speshly if you have ADSL at home and can load the week's film times, the route to the pub you're visiting, etc, etc from THAT via bluetooth / IRDA.
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Date: 2003-09-30 08:07 am (UTC)[/B1ff] (Do people still get old-school usenet jokes?)
A lot of this is hacker-toy-frenzy. I have a New Shiny Thing and this is the functional equivalent of having it in bits on the livingroom carpet by Christmas lunchtime. I do networky things for a living - if my phone appears to do PPP then I want to know the details. Just because.
(I've a particularly choice rant about ringtones, but that's probably Old News for you industry types.)
I'm with you on the connection-model: Palm got it right first time - the handheld device is only ever going to be used for data-entry in extremis so make sure the PC-sync works right.
It's interesting to note that when internet applications were still evolving, the Septics wrote stuff which assumed a free phone-connection, while the UK programs did as much stuff offline as possible before connecting briefly to do the data-transfer.
Hm. Rambling now.
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Date: 2003-09-30 08:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-30 09:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-30 09:17 am (UTC)PLUG!!!
Date: 2003-09-30 09:07 am (UTC)Utter codswallop. I am on O2/Cellnet and I have both MMS and GPRS. You played with both on my phone holiday, remember?
What they mean is "Do you want MMS with your GPRS, or do you just want plain old GPRS without MMS?". Answer: You want MMS with your GPRS, so just ask for MMS.
GPRS is a prerequisite for MMS so if you get MMS they *have* to give you GPRS. GPRS is used as the transport method FX: trails off into seven-layer protocol mumbling...
Anyway, seeing as we're talking about things WAP-like, time for me to plug my baby:
Read Victorian classic literature on your mobile phone! Shelly, HG Wells, Jules Verne, Bram Stoker etc.
Except that one of the drives on the server's RAID array is U/T, so expect the service to be bouncy until I swap it out next Monday.
Re: PLUG!!!
Date: 2003-09-30 09:28 am (UTC)However. Woman At O2 said "MMS or GPRS. Can't have both, computers won't support it." and until a couple of hours later, I wasn't in much of a position to argue. And there's this. (http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html)
[ Shrug ]
I'll bother them again tomorrow. If the one works, but the interweb varnishes, I shall become sarcastic. If not downright testy.
Lord alone knows what's going through O2's collective heads. Pictures of fluffy kittens, like as not.
Re: PLUG!!!
Date: 2003-09-30 10:05 am (UTC)And we have devices on which we can show you one working and not the other - though it may be that your Cunning Hack will get around it.... :-)
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Date: 2003-09-30 12:20 pm (UTC)Lucky us.
I do rather think that it is stretching the word "hack" to describe blindly plugging in connection details supplied by the provider. I mean, it isn't as if I sat down and thought "Gosh, I wonder if I can defeat their billing system by using their MMS gateway as my Internet gateway?". I actually thought that was what I was supposed to do- I only had one set of connection details.
If that isn't how you're supposed to do it, that still doesn't make it a "hack", that makes it an administrative cock-up.
I did wonder why I wasn't being billed for GPRS data, but until Sexbat mentioned it, I wasn't about to make a huge fuss about it. I presumed I wasn't being billed simply because I hadn't exceeded whatever bundled allowance I had. It isn't like I'm streaming movies to my laptop, I only use it for MMS, WAP and a few regular web pages over Java- can't be that much.
Does anyone know what volume of bundled GPRS data comes with the 25-pound-a-month package with a fiver's worth of bolt-ons?
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Date: 2003-09-30 12:56 pm (UTC)Call me a ludite but...
Date: 2003-09-30 12:46 pm (UTC)Re: Call me a ludite but...
Date: 2003-09-30 12:58 pm (UTC)Re: Call me a ludite but...
Date: 2003-09-30 01:18 pm (UTC)Re: Call me a ludite but...
Date: 2003-09-30 01:49 pm (UTC)Re: Call me a ludite but...
Date: 2003-10-01 02:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-10-02 11:20 am (UTC)~HS~
Luci xxx
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Date: 2003-10-02 12:52 pm (UTC)