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It turns out, through random good fortune, that the wireless card I thought I'd blown up, um, isn't. As long as my dying Xircom is in the next slot to act as nastiness-sink. Or something.

So for a laugh, I left the craptop (though I shouldn't be rude about a Free Toy) running dstumbler on the way in to work this AM.

Bugger me, but world+dog has a wireless network these days. When did that happen?

[Poll #553103]

(Or indeed ssid, come to that.)

http://www.cirt.net/cgi-bin/ssids.pl

It'll be Yagi-furtling next, just you see.

Oh. Yes. Much much less stressed this week. Blame entirely at the feet of random splendid types on Sunday. Jolly well played those chaps.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarcaustik.livejournal.com
[x] Two paper cups connected with taught string.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
The companion poll, named 'Join Ludd Gang', will be along sometime or other. Probably.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturalbornkaos.livejournal.com
I'll wait for that one because I don't even understand the choices on this!

Date: 2005-08-16 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
Google for Wireless Pringles.

Date: 2005-08-16 05:40 pm (UTC)
diffrentcolours: (Default)
From: [personal profile] diffrentcolours
Actually, I believe you have a 10baseX or 100baseX network between your computer and your NTL box, but don't quote me on that, it's been a while.

Date: 2005-08-17 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepaintedone.livejournal.com
Probably 10bt, I don't think NTL boxes support 100TX

Date: 2005-08-17 10:08 am (UTC)
diffrentcolours: (Default)
From: [personal profile] diffrentcolours
Yeah, there would be little point in them doing so, I just figured that the 100baseTX and 10baseT hardware are both in the "dirt cheap" category so it's entirely possible that either was used - I've seen ADSL routers with 100baseTX (which is nice for those of us who still use hubs instead of switches).

Date: 2005-08-17 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepaintedone.livejournal.com
IME NTL cable boxes (especialy the older PACE ones) are incredibly cheap tat. So the idea of them shaving off a few fractions of a penny by only putting in a 10bt card would fit in.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
Motherboard is gigabit, switch isn't. I got wireless in the first place as I was too lazy to wire the house. I'm not paranoid, but I restrict connection by MAC address as well as by WEP.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
Christ, I just leave mine open. The machines need user IDs, they're hardly secure, but I don't care if someone passing uses the network.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
Last year I started to have email delivery problems, then discovered that my IP was blacklisted all over the place. It turned out that a flatmate who I allowed inside my LAN hadn't had an anti-virus update in years and was pumping out all sorts of shit. I don't care about bandwidth, as such, but I can't trust anyone whose machine I haven't supervised.

Date: 2005-08-16 05:42 pm (UTC)
diffrentcolours: (Default)
From: [personal profile] diffrentcolours
Blocking outgoing connections on things like SMTP and Windows filesharing ports from wireless clients would be a sensible precaution, TBH.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
One of the chaps here 'wasn't paranoid' until he discovered wrong'uns hoovering up his b/w via the magic of 11g. Restricting by MAC seems pretty sensible.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
I know enough to know that I'm not an expert, so I'm cautious! I dare say that a MAC can be spoofed, and that the SSID and channel can be determined. I'm sure that if someone really wants in then there's not much I can do to stop them, but I'll stop opportunists if I can.

Date: 2005-08-16 10:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
Me too!

/aol

Date: 2005-08-17 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepaintedone.livejournal.com
There are so many unsecured wifi networks around, that just making it casualy awkward is probably enough to send them to your neighbour. I switch off DHCP as well, just to leave one more think that has to be found out.

Last year I was testing a wifi card from work, to see if it was faulty or if was the AP at the site it's normaly used at. I was surprised when as soon as I powered my box on, I got a messenger connection. Surprised because I have mac filtering, WEP keys, static IP, etc so it shouldn't have been able to connect to my AP.

Upon investigation, my neighbour had got himself a wireless router, and having just used the defaults, this card connected to it and got an internet connection, without me actualy doing anything at all. It basicaly plug and played with his router. I found out it was the neighbour by opening the web interface on his router, recognising the brand and using the default password. I then recognised his name in the DHCP lease list. He was rather surprised when I went round and told him.

There really should be a government health warning on wifi kit.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jozafeen.livejournal.com
Same with me - I though I was being a saddo.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sheepthief.livejournal.com
The option was there - I used it. I didn't go out to buy a product which specifically had the option, and it's not as though I have hundreds of machines to add to the list.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
Hahahaha...

I have to switch off WiFi on the iPaq when driving, because the constant "Network Found" comments interfere with the navigation ;)

I'm not convinced that AppleTalk counts as 133+, but what about that network made of stringy wires for Sinclair stuff? And I had some sort of ethernet-like network for my DECStations, but it had huge boxes. Phonenet type stuff.

I'd nearly forgotten the Omninet. I had something else a while back, too, also Apple II based. Only played about with it, though - the Corvus system I had was something like 5 drive units and flaky as hell.

Can I count Gigabit on the basis that my G5 has it, but is throttled down to 100 because nothing else I own does?

Date: 2005-08-16 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
God. I'd forgotten about Appletalk. I had that running (well, AppletalkIP) @ 465. Sod.

Lord alone knows what the Spec-Net was. I toyed with an 'Econet' box, but thought I'd restrict myself to computers that were vaguely useful. And Omninet.

DEC? LAT?

Date: 2005-08-16 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
Econet totally counts, but I've never had a network like that at home. It was really, really advanced for the time. I could probably hook up a BBC or two now, and my Torch if Torchnet was remotely compatible.

AppleTalkIP - way too advanced for me, though I am running AppleShare 3.01 and MacIP routing via IPNR to get my Apple IIgs online.

DECStations were about 1991 vintage (I had 'em in '98), so... I think it was an AUI drop cable with some sort of phonenet cabling. Probably just boring Ethernet.

100Base T vs. 100Base TX - async? Fibre? There must be a difference...

Date: 2005-08-16 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_Ethernet.html

Date: 2005-08-16 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaius-octavian.livejournal.com
LAT is by far the best terminal protocol that ever existed, not least because it deals with lines instead of characters, so there's no need to roundtrip for every key press. That alone is why modest VAXs could support user populations undreamt-of by even the best Unix kit of the day. The capability was right there in DEC and Wyse terminals, but Unix weenies were too pig-ignorant to use it. Fast forward to today and little's changed...

Date: 2005-08-16 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Indeed so. The whole webbish fill-in-the-form-and-press-send interactivity model is just like IBM (5250? SNA?) or ICL (CACKOS? RICHARDIII?) mainframe-think.

Date: 2005-08-16 10:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
Undreamt of even now without ooooooooooooooodles of horsepower.

Insert rant about where all VAXcluster tech went.

Date: 2005-08-17 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] perlmonger.livejournal.com
SINTRAN on ND kit was even nicer - 127-bit break and echo tables specified in the IO MON calls with a max char count on top meant that you got the same benefit with (sensibly written) full screen apps. The intelligence was in the serial cards, where it should be, not the terminals so it worked no matter what crap got plugged in (as long as someone was mad enough to write a VTM profile for the thing).

Of course, all that pretty much went to pot when the parity bit started being used for data, but the idea was good... :)

Tandberg TDV2200 was the nicest terminal I've ever used too, Hall effect switches and all. Cost a bloody fortune, those things.

Date: 2005-08-17 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepaintedone.livejournal.com
If we're talking things we used to have, I used null modem for a while when playing Duke Nukem 3D, and once messed about with a paralell port network.

Date: 2005-08-16 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nalsa.livejournal.com
Dang, I'd forgotten about Appletalk too. I thought I'd never forget how much I hated those little piddling boxes that dropped out of the sockets if you so much as glanced at them.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edwards.livejournal.com
Darn, I think I meant to click 100 Base T, not TX. Not that I know the difference (if I did, I've forgotten).

Date: 2005-08-16 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
100Base-TX is 100Mb/s, 1000Base-T is GigE. Apparently.

Date: 2005-08-16 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaius-octavian.livejournal.com
Configured via two methods: local USB-connected software (from linksys), or via an SNMP-based (again, custom linksys software) program. There appears to be no authentication in front of the bridges configuration, even after initial configuration.
None of that is true for the LinkSys products I have (tho' weirdly it was true for the NetGear products I just dumped).

Date: 2005-08-16 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
[X] some gubbins the boys put in which mostly works with my clockwork PC, and allows them to spod from the comfort of several sofas.
If it's wireless, how come I trip over it on my way to bed?

Date: 2005-08-16 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
Where's the Fat Yellow option ? Proper Chaps' Ethernet that is -- I still have the DIX manual explaining this novel new hardware standard.

And somewhere up at Dad's there's a reel of the stuff, which we really ought to do something silly with - maybe run capacitively-coupled wired WiFi at silly bandwidths down it?

Date: 2005-08-16 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
I was tempted to include 10Base-5, but then I thought 'Who's going to have run that at home?'

Someone with QBUS cards, probably.

Date: 2005-08-16 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yaruar.livejournal.com
I feel i need to build a home token ring network just to be different!

Date: 2005-08-16 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Men will come. Big men with white coats. They'll bring you a lovely jacket that buttons up the back and take you away to a nice place in the country where you'll have a room of your own...

Date: 2005-08-16 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
We doesn't use WEP. We has an deliberately open throttled public hotspot with CHAP2 VPN passthrough (http://www.nam-vets.org/frampton/hotspot-howto.php).

Date: 2005-08-17 08:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thepaintedone.livejournal.com
Cable box to firewall is 10bt, as is firewall to wireless AP and I think the Xbox. Then it's 802.11g to the two PC's. I then use my PC in the attic as a bridge to a 100TX switch, which I run the rest of the kit up there off of, which consists of a couple of servers and an IP hardphone.

Date: 2005-08-17 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
[x] Sneakernet (3.5" iteration)
[x] Sneakernet v2 (USB key iteration)

I'm going to get around to it ... [grin]

Date: 2005-08-19 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kathbad
Erm, you need a technophobe/ I have no idea option *g*

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