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Some number of years ago... Ok, it was the Phoenix festival with the Stuffies, Poppies & Neds on the same bill. And Stereolab, Shellac, The Grid, Iggy Pop, Carter, The Fall, Gary Clail, Killing Joke, Buzzcocks, the Inspirals, Renegade Soundwave, Swervedriver, Skunk Anansie and, er, the Ozrics. I could, if I were a bigger tosser than you might expect, lay claim to having seen the lot. However, all I can remember is watching the Stuffies and thinking 'Bloody hell this is good' and, er, the Ozrics, where I was mostly thinking 'Shutup you bastards I have a hangover.'

Anyway. On day one I got myself massively sunburned and since I didn't have anything long-sleeved, I had to wander through the markets stalls that clustered together for protection against the startling prices of the 'workers' 'beer' 'company', who's thing was a jolly right-on spiel about collectivism, but who supplied grim ale at 'ye gods how much?' prices.

(I see from the wikipeejah that they do seem to have sensible credentials. Perhaps things have changed in nearly two decades. Who can say?)

So, um, I found the nearest long-sleeved garment that was both cheap and black and wore it for the rest of the festival. And indeed for the next yea-many years because it was just one of those good garments that fitted with what passed for my lifestyle, had pockets that were sensible and was both warm enough in the winter and cool enough in the other bit to just be a happy thing to have.

Obviously I lost it in one or other move, and because the balance of my mind was disturbed I forgot to care about it for a decade or so. It's shit when that happens.

Because I started to care about that sort of thing again in the last few months, I have been vaguely poking at the internets. However, since all the remembrance I could manage was 'Dyed back, probably Dutch mil surplus going by holding the label up to the light and squinting' progress was basically bollocks.

However, yesterday I discover that it was indeed Dutch. Issued from 1960 to 1980 and the key bit was the herringbone weave. There aren't any on the internet.

Since I was going for a potter into Bristol with a handful of films for the posh chemist (Photographique, who appear to be doing well and who now carry a Nathan-leaning selection of films and cameras. Including the tiny Japanese efforts that are rubbish on purpose and I was not tempted by one of those, no not even slightly), I decided to keep going as far as Hotwells to see what the estimable Messrs. Marcruss had lying about.

All the good camo in the world, as it turns out. Also a street filled with surly footer fans and an awful lot of riot vans.

If I had come by car, I would have been able to fill it with Danish M84, Marpat, Belgian jigsaw pattern, knockoff German splinter-pattern, a splendidly Futurist Italian design and some 'iconic' American jackets that looked like they'd been shat out the back of a frightened tank. No herringbone-weave Dutch field shirts, though.

I would also have been caught up in a massive post-riot-van tailback, so probably a lucky escape for all concerned.

Date: 2012-08-04 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jozafeen.livejournal.com
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Date: 2012-08-04 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
You'd need the right fabric though. If this is the Dutch stuff I think (I think I've got a piece of it myself) then it's an odd sort of fabric - hefty twill, more like tarpaulin than shirt.

Date: 2012-08-04 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
This is the thing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dutch-Army-Surplus-HBT-Shirt-42-Medium-/220699321455

Date: 2012-08-04 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com
A Poppies-loving friend claims that Dutch mil surplus combats are the One True Trouser, due to their ability to fit two DVDs into each thigh pocket.

Me, I have a man^H^H^Hmessenger bag.

Date: 2012-08-04 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
Not like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dutch-Army-Olive-Shirt-Good-Quality-Stylish-/251049555638?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&var=&hash=item3a73b836b6#ht_1099wt_956

or this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1950s-NEW-AUTHENTIC-MILITARY-STYLE-VINTAGE-DUTCH-LONG-SLEEVE-ARMY-GREEN-SHIRT-/270915707482?pt=US_CSA_MC_Shirts&var=&hash=item3f13d5a25a#ht_500wt_1204

(says 1950s, herringbone twill)

Date: 2012-08-04 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Yep, I think it's the second one - see ebay link above for a better view of the fabric.

Date: 2012-08-04 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
I don't break out the killer Google-fu for just anyone you know.

Date: 2012-08-04 10:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-08-04 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
Hm - might it be this ?

http://www.europeanarmysurplus.co.uk/shopitem.php?itemid=STNL007-AV-BK&PHPSESSID=b0o5g33slie1kj6hru7s21r8m0

That lot are wholesale-only, but the retail arm is here:
http://www.britisharmysurplus.com/european.php

and might well be worth asking.

Tell me more of this Futurism of which you speak.

Date: 2012-08-04 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
That's the fellow.

Mind, at only six per bundle, that's going to be about twenty quid. I shall have to open a stall knockin' aht quality schmutter isn't it.

... Although I did kind of come away from Marcruss with an 80s Dutch poly/cotton shirt and a 90s German example. As the bloke said, the German one's cut far better.

Date: 2012-08-04 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
The Italian Futurist-pattern sort of vaguely looks like a more impressionistic DPM with the colour pallete of Boccioni's Dynamism of a Human Body

Date: 2012-08-07 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybermule.livejournal.com
Oh - I went to that one. Good stuff :)

Date: 2012-08-08 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ingenue-the.livejournal.com
I was at that Phoenix festival too. Corking line up.

It's a frequent regret that I didn't meet so many of my friends earlier. Most of us were frequently in the same fields and drinking holes for years before actually meeting.

Date: 2012-08-08 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
It was, wasn't it?

I think you would have taken one look at the lurching mob of yokels, glugging back the homebrew and jabbering in indecipherable Gloucester, and thought 'Young Farmers care in the community gone sadly wrong'.

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