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So, back in the old days when they still made things in Gloucester...

[See, that's an interesting thing. Where I grew up, nobody actually made anything. There were no factories. Those were kept far away in pictures on Midlands Today from mythical places like Smethwick, Cradely Heath and Wolverhampton. They had a special man whose job it was to go and speak to a fellow in overalls standing next to a brazier outside some gates and interpret his language of 'differentials' and 'free collective bargaining'. It was very odd to peer out of the Land-rover windows at the grubbier parts of Gloucester or Stroud and see the same sort of sawtooth factory roofing that was on the telly from far away. In one sense, AA Gill is correct: Stow on the Wold is a terrible and self-satisfied sort of place. In the other sense, his notion that the Cotswolds north of Chipping Norton is a wasteland is clearly the excitable and impenetrable jabbering of the long-term institutionalised sans medication.]

... There was a factory at the far end of what used to be the Gloster Aircraft site that made the sort of airport crash-tenders I'd seen in the Ladybird book of Commercial Vehicles. Big red oblong Gerry Anderson things. And in that factory there was an OEMed LSI-11 system (probably Midlectron, given the state of the build) that did... Things.

It was at the far end of the drawing office, which had been slung in the eaves of the ex-hangar where they built the tenders. As if the draughtsmen were descended from nesting swallows. They obviously weren't, because there was a narrow and steep staircase up to the office and I've never seen swallows smoke Players tabs.

I'd been called out there because I was performing in the Field Circus and the DEC box had expired. It was quickly obvious that the filters in the CDC Phoenix (40Mb fixed, 40Mb removable IIRC. [Which I don't, it transpires: 15Mb removable, 60Mb fixed. Hurrah for the collective memory of The Internet.] A preposterous amount of storage for what was only a medium-sized factory) hadn't been changed since the fall of Saigon. There was also the matter of the curious brown tinge covering the rest of the equipment (a normally white TVI-950 terminal and 132-column Anadex printer).

I asked the chap showing me the kit if it was a smoking office.

"Nope. They banned smoking in the office a couple of years back. Caused a bit of a stink."

"So is there a smoking room or anything like that?"

"Nah. You've to go outside and stand at the edge of the runway, but most of the lads can't be doing with that and come in here..."

A mob of blokes crammed into the end cupobard where they kept The Computer, all puffing away furiously on Woodbines and Navy Cut on a damp Tuesday morning can do quite a bit of damage to a disk-drive. But not as much as...

... CDC Hawks (5Mb fixed, 5Mb removable) are pretty much a three-bloke lift. Two on the heavy end next to the voice-coil, one on the lighter end by the blower motor. Phoenixes are a lot heavier. It was going to have to go back to the workshop where we'd a vaguely cleaner environment to pull it to bits and replace all the r/w heads. However, no-one could see how to get the thing down to ground level. Then someone suggested using one of the forklifts. There was a door in one side of the office that opened out into space. There had presumably been a verandah or gantry of some kind. What was left was a couple of sections of I-beam and a bloody long drop.

The stacker with the longest lift in the place hummed into position. At full extent, the forks were just on the level of the I-beam. The foreman edged out onto the beam and put one foot on one of the forks. It set to waving back and forth by about a yard. He came back in again, looking somewhat discomfited.

In the end, we edged the thing down the stairs, a shuffling mob of about eight chaps grunting and swearing and trying not to think about what would happen if anyone let go.

Date: 2006-01-16 12:32 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
In the same vein, have you any idea how to get an RA81 out of a 5'-deep cellar with no direct crane access and only a flight of hewn stone steps out, from under a worktop?

Date: 2006-01-16 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanda-pink.livejournal.com
Have you tried telekinesis?

Date: 2006-01-16 12:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
I've tried hope and wishing. The lump of slag it was connected to was flat-packed and archived with the help of an angle-grinder. I couldn't watch.

Date: 2006-01-16 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanda-pink.livejournal.com
"archived" - Nice choice of words :D

Date: 2006-01-16 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
Now that it's rivet-less, it'll go back together with a few bolts. And a new blower. And a new set of PSUs.

Date: 2006-01-16 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girfan.livejournal.com
John is heading to bed, so asked me to tell you "explosives".

Date: 2006-01-16 12:43 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
Bahaha. If he'd like to play with explosives and dirty DEC kit in the derbyshire dales, we can make a trip sometime.

Date: 2006-01-16 08:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reddragdiva
As long as he records it. The long-awaited followup to "Sack Of Hammers"!

Date: 2006-01-18 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanda-pink.livejournal.com
I always wanted to dismantle an old LG01 with a lump hammer, but explosives would be just as much fun ;)

Date: 2006-01-16 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
How did it get in there? As the Haynes Book Of Lies tells us, "re-assembly is the reverse of dismantling".

I've got an engine crane, which I'm sure would shift it. [livejournal.com profile] countb has got an engine crane too, although his is electric and pink.

Date: 2006-01-16 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
re-assembly is the reverse of dismantling
And that's the biggest lie in that big book of lies.

Almost as big a lie as when they classify a task as "1 Spanner", but don't mention that you need to acheive a "4 Spanners and a fully equipped F1 race truck" task to get to that stage ...

Date: 2006-01-16 08:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
In all seriousness, me and a mate at the bottom, and another at the top who said "catch".

Date: 2006-01-16 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
Some friends up in Geordieland used to work writing EPOS code (OS/9 on a 6809-powered SWTP). The first few floors were full of civilised people in suits and the dirty coders were all kept in a garret up the top of the stairs. This included the office whippet, who used to run to work every morning following his owner on a bike. There were four of them up there, all chain-smoking welder's rollups. Whenever I was in there I'd sit on the floor with the dog, the air being a bit cleaner down at that level.

One day the inevitable happened and the hard drive (probably the only one in the building) crashed. This was typical late-80s kit, 5¼" sized 506 or SCSI gadget with a paltry handful of megabytes on it. And when we disemboweled it in the traditional ritual, there was a folded paper air filter inside it. A filter that was so thick with tobacco that you could smell it.

Date: 2006-01-16 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
A filter that was so thick with tobacco that you could smell it
They didn't attempt to smoke it, did they?

Date: 2006-01-16 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poggs.livejournal.com
5Mb. Wow.

From the same era as 64k being "high speed".

Date: 2006-01-16 08:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] perlmonger.livejournal.com
CDC Phoenix

The ones I encountered were 15MB removeable and 4 x 15MB fixed. They crashed at least daily, too, though IIRC that was because the Norsk Data drivers for them were utter crap. Finally got swapped out for 75MB washing machines which, by contrast, were as reliable as very reliable things indeed.

Date: 2006-01-16 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
I bow to your better memory and will amend the relevant bits. Ta.

(And begin to wonder once again about building cannons from redundant voice coils.)

Date: 2006-01-16 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazeii.livejournal.com
I could start wittering about the interesting gyro force you experience when trying to shift a 14" disk pack spinning at full speed, but I've been hacking the voice coils on more modern HDD's recently:-

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Might not be a cannon, but it makes a damn fine laser projector (pair of old SCSI 3.5" HDD's, hacksawed in half and mounted at right angles to each other; heads removed and replaced with scan mirrors blu-tacked to the remnants of the HDA, laser pointer mounted at TDC).

Date: 2006-01-16 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Coo-er. How well does it work?

(Mechanical television? Surely not...)

Date: 2006-01-16 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazeii.livejournal.com
Works well enough for vector animations, e.g. a dove in flight, a dolphin leaping, a woman rotating. Lissajous figures are, of course, a piece of piss. To use it as a TV you'd need to extract the essence of the picture in vector form (the resolution/refresh rate tradeoff would be very limiting for a raster display).

Limits are about what you'd expect from HDD access times, i.e. about 250Hz on each axis. Good enough for a reasonable 6-digit clock display (makes great rhythmic sounds as it runs into the bargain).

The current laser doesn't have a modulation input though so there's no flyback blanking; the whole project was built using junkbox parts (note the use of PC brackets to support the horizontal HDD and laser diode).

Sometime I aim to get around to stuffing a bigger laser in there, ideally a bright green one with a modulation input. Really ought to get around to writing it up properly and posting full details on the web too.

Date: 2006-01-16 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanda-pink.livejournal.com
I. Am. Impressed!

Date: 2006-01-16 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Really ought to get around to writing it up properly and posting full details on the web too.

Yes.

Date: 2010-09-26 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
I'm contemplating making some kind of laser-projector thing. Have you written yours up, by any chance ?

Date: 2006-01-16 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
There still is some actual clankery going on at the Gloster Meteor airfield; now Gloucester Business Park, home to us at MessageLabs and, at t'other end of the "DANGER! UNEXPLODED BOMBS!" runway, Invista (formerly Dupont), a real factory with real machines that makes... nylon. For stockings and other ladies' intimate undergarments. Just count the levels of JHR-ness that transcends.

We had a similar "big computer, big drop" problem when I was at the Royal Bank of Scotland's corporate loans division, which used to be housed in the posh looking building behind Neptune's Fountain in Cheltenham, the one which had a secure underground carpark clearly visible from the bus station which all the crusty-types swore blind was a compound for repo'ed cars that they someday, come the anarchist revoltution, would liberate; but in reality was just the managers' and nightshift engineers' carpark.

The server room in this particular building was, for some never-explained reason, on the top floor (with a fine view over the Cotswold hills). This was one of those old-fashioned server rooms that still had Halon gas automatic fire extinguishers, an oxygen suppressant that would asphixiate staff just as happily as it would put out fires, hence the less-than-reassuring presence of both a bloody great axe (which you were supposed to chop down the door with, presumably in one breath) and, downstairs, a revolving hazard lamp which would light whenever a human was present in the server room. Quite how we on the 1st floor were supposed to get to the 5th floor, in a fire, before the poor chap suffocated, was also never explained.

Anyway, the day came to get rid of some horribly huge piece of DEC kit that was so old, no-one could remember how it got in. Presumably, in the lift. Except the lift had gone through numerous upgrades, refits and redecorations since. Said DEC kit no longer fitted through the lift doors. Solution, remove doors; result, two days of red-faced staff pumping up and down six flights of stairs, but no movement of DEC kit because it still didn't fit in the lift. So three days later, DEC monstrosity still sitting there on the landing (now without its case, and looking like the Nude Electric Mainframe Revue), and staff nervously eyeing up the lift shaft ceiling and the price of hiring a crane.

Finally, a week later, some smart-alec mentions Stannah Stairlifts and the engineers realise that this is a job for a proper, proper robot (http://www.stairrobot.co.uk/products-sr1750.html). Quite an amazing piece of machinery, kind of like Johnny Five's mutant offspring, had he had taken to raping conveyor belts. We load the DEC monstrosity onto this little fellow's platform, and it happily trundles down six flights of stairs carrying one metric tonne of retro VAX wrongness. Job done.

Date: 2006-01-16 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
That 'posh looking building' is/was on the site of the old ABC/Regal cinema. I recall going to see The Sweeney and Convoy as a (popcorn) double feature there.

(I want one of those robots.)

Date: 2006-01-16 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
So how did the Council Buildings look when ABC Cinema was there? Was there a gap between the buildings, or was it all joined together?

Date: 2006-01-16 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
It looked like... The council buildings with a cinema nailed to the end. The 'now showing' boards had a poster for 'Kentuky fried movie' up for years.

Now I think about it, the wedding-cakeification of bits of Cheltenham is a relatively recent thing.

Date: 2006-01-16 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] d-floorlandmine.livejournal.com
That is a truly impressive toy!
We had halon suppression in the archives room at school. There were many legends (which completely ignored the fact that it had only been installed the previous year).
Maybe the server room was on the top floor because that's where they used to have the telephone exchanges? (Just a random guess from seeing old 'phone exchanges.)

Date: 2006-01-18 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanda-pink.livejournal.com
I was in a server room in the head office of a large (OK, extremely large) pharmaceuticals company once, installing a new IBM server with a colleague when the halon warning system went off... The next sound was a brand new IBM server crashing to the ground just after we dropped it and we just made it across the server room and out in time before the halon system went off.

Naturally, the company we were installing the server for billed the halon installation company for a new server.

It's impressive just how much damage you can do to an IBM lump when you drop it from about 5 feet ;)

Date: 2006-01-18 10:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2006-01-16 08:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] meltie.livejournal.com
I guess you took great pleasure from having the VAX crushed? Any idea which landfill the bits ended up at?

Date: 2006-01-16 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
I doubt they'd have hired a stair walker if it was to be crushed. I believe it was sold in working condition. Dunno who to.

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