I think this comes squarely under the heading of 'Getting the fuck on and doing it.' (before you realise you're halfway up a metaphorical building sans safety-net...)
Is there perhaps an escalator where we could lob the reamers right into the works?
Or maybe just go direct to 'Surfing a scrapyard avalanche'?
The best bit is in the original, about half way through there's a Hirez wheezy sounding laugh. I imagine you were having trouble keeping quiet and not bursting into loud laughter :)
"(But what tends to happen is that I'll try to replicate a sound or a groove, fail dismally, and produce something odd instead.)"
Attest to cognition!
I'm not sure if it's just because it's by you, but the drum and bleep sound on the remix was so early '80s bedroom "dance." Do you know the stuff I mean?
There was a series of '80s indie compilations called Funky Alternatives - electronics with drum machine. The distinguishing characteristic, of course, being how utterly lacking in funk they were, and how obvious it was the perpetrators had never left their bedrooms, let alone reveled in rhythm and groove on a dancefloor with people around. Lots of second- and third-string industrial from that time - 400 Blows and various other Illuminated label stuff springs to mind. Portion Control. Ring any bells? Your recording shows evidence of having left the bedroom, but uses the same sort of old sounds.
I think you could get the gig in a second, but you'd better use real hammers instead of the samples.
The manifesto needs to go on the CD cover. Then you need to put up the artwork and the MP3s (and Oggs) in 96kbps to save space and bandwidth, selling CD-Rs off the site.
(I'm serious. Do two hours of this sort of thing, winnow down to one hour. Costs nothing and shows you're a twenty-first century sorta musician. Deathboy so needs to do CD insert card artwork for all his MP3 albums.)
Interesting set of opinions in them thar thread. For the record, I like hypnotic drone-rock (old Stereolab, Spacemen, Loop) and given that Andy Taylor was listening to Suicide and the Stooges, it's not surprising that the Sisters sound(ed) the way they did. If you dig out the Three Johns' Men Like Monkeys/Three-minute Ape 12", you'll find the closest they ever got to metronomic, and even that grooves like a bastard.
There is no funk in the 'bom-splat-bombom-splat' so beloved of spherical g*th and INDUSTRAIL(tm) bands everywhere, and for that we must hunt the fuckers down and set fire to them.
You are Correct in your estimation. Even the usually startlingly funky Tackhead were reduced to four-squareness. That whole 80s 'dance' thing, and the way it mutated into 'industrial dance' (the Nettwerk and Waxtrax bands especially) was a Horrible, Horrible Mistake. Nitzer Fucking Ebb and that bloody band with Bill Leeb at the controls (I've thankfully forgotten their name) were SHITE. And we're still having to listen to the same swearing-and-terminator-samples thud-crash bollocks.
Downloadable artwork? It's all getting a bit sevcom.com (http://sevcom.com), which is no surprise at all.
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Date: 2003-11-20 03:25 pm (UTC)How can i get a track to do that?
Im so in awe of you
Luci xxx
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Date: 2003-11-20 03:32 pm (UTC)You are my new hero.
Adventures at Buck and Hickman.
Date: 2003-11-20 03:43 pm (UTC)I'd dance to it, but then I'd dance to pretty much anything. Wanna sample me torturing mokume through a roller? I does some lovely top-notes.
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-20 04:16 pm (UTC)Having lots of mad techno records to thieve ideas from helps.
(But what tends to happen is that I'll try to replicate a sound or a groove, fail dismally, and produce something odd instead.)
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:21 pm (UTC)Next, throwing a box of reamers down an escalator.
Re: Adventures at Buck and Hickman.
Date: 2003-11-20 04:30 pm (UTC)More samples? Yes. Bung it on a C-90, lo-fi as you like.
Or record it with PC. Whatever.
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:34 pm (UTC)Re: Adventures at Buck and Hickman.
Date: 2003-11-20 04:36 pm (UTC)Why don't I just hold the phone up to it and call you. Let your Nokia do the clever stuff?
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:37 pm (UTC)Is there perhaps an escalator where we could lob the reamers right into the works?
Or maybe just go direct to 'Surfing a scrapyard avalanche'?
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Date: 2003-11-20 04:39 pm (UTC)(I love it when my life turns into a Pokey the penguin episode.)
YES!!!!
Re: Adventures at Buck and Hickman.
Date: 2003-11-20 04:41 pm (UTC)But I'll be wandering about your neck of the woods over the weekend with Richard's recording walkperson...
Bad timing
Date: 2003-11-20 04:46 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-20 04:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-20 05:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-21 01:46 am (UTC)Thank you for brightening my morning.
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Date: 2003-11-21 01:58 am (UTC)There's little point in doing anything silly if you're not going to have fun with it.
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Date: 2003-11-21 02:16 am (UTC)Attest to cognition!
I'm not sure if it's just because it's by you, but the drum and bleep sound on the remix was so early '80s bedroom "dance." Do you know the stuff I mean?
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Date: 2003-11-21 02:56 am (UTC)Please name names.
Hey, d'you think I could get a Flag gig upstairs at t'Garage yet?
[/Sarcasm. I should probaby write down the 'manifesto' too...]
Clifford, darling, you were right about the past, actually.
Date: 2003-11-21 03:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-21 03:38 am (UTC)I think you could get the gig in a second, but you'd better use real hammers instead of the samples.
The manifesto needs to go on the CD cover. Then you need to put up the artwork and the MP3s (and Oggs) in 96kbps to save space and bandwidth, selling CD-Rs off the site.
(I'm serious. Do two hours of this sort of thing, winnow down to one hour. Costs nothing and shows you're a twenty-first century sorta musician. Deathboy so needs to do CD insert card artwork for all his MP3 albums.)
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:13 am (UTC)Re: Clifford, darling, you were right about the past, actually.
Date: 2003-11-21 04:41 am (UTC)There is no funk in the 'bom-splat-bombom-splat' so beloved of spherical g*th and INDUSTRAIL(tm) bands everywhere, and for that we must hunt the fuckers down and set fire to them.
Ah. Off on one again. Sorry.
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Date: 2003-11-21 04:57 am (UTC)You are Correct in your estimation. Even the usually startlingly funky Tackhead were reduced to four-squareness. That whole 80s 'dance' thing, and the way it mutated into 'industrial dance' (the Nettwerk and Waxtrax bands especially) was a Horrible, Horrible Mistake. Nitzer Fucking Ebb and that bloody band with Bill Leeb at the controls (I've thankfully forgotten their name) were SHITE. And we're still having to listen to the same swearing-and-terminator-samples thud-crash bollocks.
Downloadable artwork? It's all getting a bit sevcom.com (http://sevcom.com), which is no surprise at all.
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Date: 2003-11-21 05:00 am (UTC)Feel free to 'remix' (ie - hack about in a defiantly Not Musical manner) the hammer-pitching yourself. I'd like people to do that.