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Apparently we're mostly descended from farmers. (Picture in the Guardian features what seems to be a rowcrop Nuffield. Oo-aar, etc.)

Thus I guess it's no great surprise that I was more than a little pleased to discover that the stuff coming out of the compost-dalek lurking at the end of the garden actually smells like freshly-turned soil, rather than the festery raw materials we tip into its wormy maw.

Because the thing's full and not consuming said raw materials as quickly as it does in summer, pruning 3/4 of the garden generated five bags of garden waste, one pair of knackered wrists and one somewhat broken but repairable pair of pruning shears. It was nice and warm in the sun, too.

I'm idly considering re-purposing a pair of builder's sand bags (or mumble-tonne fertiliser bags) to grow spuds in. Bugger spending money on things from the back of the Sunday papers. That way lies single tartan slippers, poor-quality pervy underwear and Bicycle-Shaped Objects.

Date: 2010-01-24 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-soap.livejournal.com
OK, a question from a city person - we have a compost bin in the garden, which I've been tipping weeds and vegetable leftovers etc. into, but it all just seems to dry out, rather than turn magically into compost. Is there a magic method to this?

Date: 2010-01-24 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
I'll go and find the Bristol City Council Compost Club (No, really) webshite in a minute, but you're allowed to tip a bucket of water in the thing if it's too dry.

Aha! (http://www.bristol.gov.uk/ccm/content/Environment-Planning/Rubbish-waste-and-recycling/recycling-information-and-advice/composting.en;jsessionid=454AF0CF35CA4A926BAD709337DA55C3.tcwwwaplaws3)

I'm given to understand that a bucket of piss is jolly good, too. (I've not tried widdling in ours because it's at the end of the garden and handy for a blackthorn bush. Which I would fall into.

Date: 2010-01-24 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybermule.livejournal.com
You can grow spuds fine in big bags. I did it last year.

Date: 2010-01-24 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mimmimmim.livejournal.com
U haz bukkit? potatoes grow quite well in those.

Are you any good at fixing Lomo fisheye cameras (I know you have one and are a bit techie) or do you know anyone who is? Pete's has a dodgy flash and I'm trying to find someone to fix it.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
Pee on it.

"Compost activator" is dried nitrate salts, which is much the same thing.

This time of year, good compost ought to still be warm inside the bin. If it's kitchen waste, big enough, and active enough, then it can still self-warm enough to keep going. If your bin is rectangular, an inch of polystyrene sheet inside helps a lot.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
I do indeed haz.

However, I'm thinking in larger quantities + other veg.

My Lomo-fixing extends to walloping it with the heel of my hand and shouting 'Work, you bastard!'

Date: 2010-01-24 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Excellent! It'll give me something to do with the output of the composter.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
I'm glad that "dawn of agriculture" seemingly means picnicing by tractor.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
...and they'd never believe you at A&E that it was a 'gardening accident'.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
Our local "garden waste collection" bags are green cubes, like a 1/2 scale model of a builder's one-tonner, in green flat woven polypropylene canvas.

Best of all they're a (subsidised?) quid, from local shops. Turn them inside out and they don't even say "Monmouth" any more.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybermule.livejournal.com
Yup. Spuds will break it down even further. I was using 40 litre multipurpose compost bags last year, filling them about half way, then rolling them up and topping them up as the spuds needed earthing up.

Date: 2010-01-24 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cybermule.livejournal.com
Fantastic. I'm going to buy half a dozen next time I cross the Welsh Sea.

Date: 2010-01-24 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Aha! Scalable pod-gardening.

Date: 2010-01-24 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inulro.livejournal.com
No idea - ours did just turn magically into compost. The fact that it mainly consists of coffee grounds and tea may or may not be relevant.

Date: 2010-01-24 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
Hardware shop in Caldicot

Date: 2010-01-24 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
[FX: Google]

Yes, they do seem to be well subsidised: http://www.smartliftbulkbags.co.uk/

Date: 2010-01-25 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sallypointzero.livejournal.com
...more people tending soil etc ....mutter.... i will have a grande mal in the style of a pictish crofter's hen-woman if i don't get an otter and a remote cottage -or equivalent -like that man with the funny eyes...

Date: 2010-01-25 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jarkman.livejournal.com
You should fit it with a urinal, Duchamp-style.

Date: 2010-01-25 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
For the past two or three summers, I've had a weekly wee into my compost bins and I can confirm they remain moist and full of worms. It's not necessary during the wetter months; just the summer (which is good, because I'd imagine that weeing outside in the cold does nothing for one's masculinity).

If you're male and sufficiently tall (or, and I can sadly only imagine, sufficiently, erm, long) and there is no, ahem, "defensive planting" nearby, there is no need for a bucket.

I think I need brain-soap to remove my own image from my own brain, now.

I'm moving to the urban metropolis of Tewkesbury on Friday, so it will be interesting to see how they react. I may have to switch to nocturnal, er, "waterings".

Date: 2010-01-25 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
[/Royston Vasey]

Date: 2010-01-25 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
Okay, in an attempt to turn the conversation away from the lavatorial...

Is your bin placed on good soil? A lot of the magic comes from allowing micro and not-so-micro organisms to crawl and burrow up from existing soil below.

Placing it on patio slabs is therefore a no-no. If your topsoil is pretty thin or poor in nutrients anyway (many post-war houses used building rubble to backfill gardens; suitable for lawn and little else) you might wish to go gathering worms (ask your local fishing tackle shop), and add them in together with some shop-bought compost.

You could also try adding squishy but less acidic fruit such as rotten apples or pears, in an attempt to stimulate micro-organism growth.

Date: 2010-01-25 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
Oooh, spuds in sacks. I was going to leave all our compost in the compost bins when I move house on Friday, but now you've said that... I've got some small rubble sacks, I might dig out one of the bins and fill up a couple of them, in the hope that the relocation of said full sacks would conveniently fall to the removal men.

Date: 2010-01-25 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
Am I the only one who feels rather conned when I have to *buy* garden bags, as opposed to childhood memories of half-inching them from the edges of fields and playing chemical-additive-roulette with my health? If it's not blue, sledge-grade thickness and with at least 6 hazmat symbols, it's just not the same gardening experience.

Date: 2010-01-25 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
Of course, what the ladies need is something along the lines of a commode seat. Once the reaction started going it'd probably be reasonably warm to the bum. Definitely not one for the overlooked urban estate, I'd suppose.

Let me know if I'm over-thinking this.

Date: 2010-01-25 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
You're off into composting bog (http://www.sustainablebuild.co.uk/CompostToilets.html) territory there.

Date: 2010-01-25 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
Our slat-sided (i.e. made of old pallets) compost heap regularly gets a dose of nitrogen courtesy of the other half.
Perhaps you could have a 'boys watering can' in the garage/geekroom. Or just do a James, as it were.

Date: 2010-01-25 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
I remember seeing them on the pavements on the way back from your place, and they did look most tempting.

Last year my spuds and a handful of leeks, grew in "Iron Mountain" confidential waste bags. They're excellent growbags.

Date: 2010-01-25 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
Not organic, but quite likely to add extra *omph* to your crop.

Date: 2010-01-25 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Oh lord. The smell of warm Nitram sacks.

Date: 2010-01-25 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
I always thought coffee was a bad idea here?

Date: 2010-01-25 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
I get mine S/H from the [livejournal.com profile] cursingchemist.

They're far thicker than mere fertiliser sacks. They probably needed to be.

Date: 2010-01-25 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
My (limited) understanding is that whilst weeing on compost is a good idea, having meat-eaters poo on it is a bad idea. Going the whole hog with a composting bog, IIRC, requires either conversion to vegetarianism (which in itself is no bad thing) or a lot of effort/work/additives.

Date: 2010-01-25 11:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aoakley.livejournal.com
Nitram, that was the stuff. There ought to be a Dulux colour named "Nitram Blue". It was like they sat down with a colour wheel and thought "What colour would be the exact opposite of the countryside? What colour should we manufacture our bags so that feral six-year-olds are hypnotically drawn towards them?"

There is no better material for the construction of a sledge; thick and protective like kevlar, flexible as a fettishist. It was like someone recycled Disaster Area's frictionless stunt ship with added Dylon. A blue so blue it fluoresced without need for fluorescence.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/anataman/1362134776/

Date: 2010-01-26 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Google is your friend in this case.

I think a composting bog runs hotter. The one I encountered didn't have a sign reading 'carnivores can sod off and crap in their hats', so, um, Pontrilas.

Date: 2010-01-26 08:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah-mum.livejournal.com
Stuffed with straw, bailer twine handle, sorted!

Date: 2010-01-26 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inulro.livejournal.com
It breaks down quickly, and everything we've planted in it has grown nicely, so I guess I can provide evidence to the contrary.

Date: 2010-01-26 08:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inulro.livejournal.com
Ours is on the patio because I'm too lazy to take compost to the back of our garden. I thought I'd have to gather up some worms and add some soil from the back garden to get it started, but within a week of setting the thing up, I had a magical ecosystem going, and if anything, we have too many worms at times.

My 1860s-built house has a garden full of building rubble. A co-worker who has a similar problem in a similar area once hypothesized that when the extension was built they were too cheap to take away the old wall and it got ground up and put in the back garden; it's the best explanation I've heard yet.

Date: 2010-01-26 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inulro.livejournal.com
Result!

Date: 2010-01-26 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
Science! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080707171641.htm

It may be that hoofing in the used coffee saves being arrested for indecent exposure in your garden.

Date: 2010-01-26 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quercus.livejournal.com
Contrary to popular belief, coffee grounds are not acidic. After brewing, the grounds are close to pH neutral, between 6.5 and 6.8. The acid in the beans is mostly water-soluble, so it leaches into the coffee we drink.

So that's alright then...

Date: 2010-01-26 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hirez.livejournal.com
The Canadians have Tim Horton's.

We need Tim Leary's.

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